TASSY P2P FORUMS

We have moved into Release Mode from beta, since we believe we have ironed out all the problems and concerns.

People who had tested in the past, can you please redo the Steps and Settings on the main page and test again.

http://tassyp2p.tripod.com/

If anyone experiences any problems, please specify to anyone available that might beable to help. There are alot of tech people in Tassy.


Questions..

Q) Is the TRAFFIC FREE?

A) YES, if you set the NetSpace Rule to Accept and all others to Deny then it's totally local NetSpace Free Data. It's totally at your control.

Q) Do I need to constantly change settings?

A) No, once setup, then all you should need to do is concern yourself with downloading and what you share. There isn't any server to stop you, or times a server goes down for updates or crashes.

Q) Am I safe from legal channels that may want to investigate our network?

A) YES, you are very safe. The way the sharing works and our IP Range blocking, you would have to be on a local aDSL IP to see who is working in the network and then the investigators would have to connect with Shareaza to see what your personally sharing.


Do not uninstall DC unless it is totally clear where your are going and all problems if any are under control !!! We want to make sure that this is the best direction to move.
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If anyone needs to configure their routers after fails to connect, then you maybe need to thinker with port 6346 which carries the UDP packets as well.

Since RELEASE MODE, we haven't had one person yet who can't connect. Btw, all of 3.... You might be able to ask people with NEtworkign experience for help. Maybe Squidley, Hood, NetFish, etc.

What is the future of Shareaza?

Well alot of programmers are waiting and dribbling in the Shareaza forums on the arrival of the Plugin SDK and also the communications specs to Shareaza.

When the SDK is relaesed there will be plenty of addins that may help us. Like a IRC pLugin or a way to wrapper files uploads and downloads from other clients, example while your downloading off eMule World, the file is being also shared in Shareaza local.

The next version of Shareaza is supposed to have it's own de-central'ised chat and friends lists.

I really know why now why most young Tasmanian’s move to the mainland.

With narrow mindedness of people and the lack of will to try new things out, we’ve had limit interest from existing dc people. Also the power struggle to maintain heartlands with dc has maybe caused the idea of people moving to a better client to be tainted. Yes there is vested interests in maintaining the ability to moderate and control people or there wouldn’t have been the ill responses to our tests for a alternative p2p.

The people that will scream, foul here, are the same people that never investigated the alternative, yet downed it.


Currently there are no valid arguments why DC is better, other than the chat side. Our tests have resulted in a client that works perfect now and also has many bonuses to sharing, like

* the ability to hide our network from investigators.
* no MODERATORS or CONTROLLERS. All are equal.
* no server downs
* massively better sharing
* better bandwidth control making cpu and bandwidth available to other apps.

So I’m not interested in wasting my time with a group that is based on leaders and followers. Come in if you want, if you don’t then that’s your choice.

Out of here.

Porkster wrote:* the ability to hide our network from investigators.

My hub is firewalled for everyone except keypoint and netspace. You hub is exactly the same I understand, except with IP rules. How it is any different?

Porkster wrote:* no MODERATORS or CONTROLLERS. All are equal.

I have never ever moderated anyones comments on the DC Hub. I have never ever done any "controlling". The only reason why I am an op is to kick clones. Everyone is equal to an extent - but I think the people who share the most are the most important people in the DC community - they lead the way with a great example of putting others before themselves. They could share 2gb of crap and keep their bandwidth free - instead they put the community first. Well done to all, and I thank you for participating.

Porkster wrote:* no server downs

I am consistantly working on making this part better, a substantial system, software and network upgrade performed by stuart and myself over the weekend should no eliminate any downtime. It's my goal to get 1000 hours uptime on the server. Also note that existing transfers are not effected if the server is down for 5 minutes, they can continue as normal.

Porkster wrote:* massively better sharing

Thats a bit objective isnt it. I have looked at it and I much rather DC's lists method. Obviously, 60 other people either dont give two shits, or like dc's method better.

Porkster wrote:* better bandwidth control making cpu and bandwidth available to other apps.

I dont understand how if you have 16k/max upstream on a connection that a sharing client can make it any higher. So in other words, this is bullshit. Also, we are now in the age of cpu's nearing 3ghz, so i think CPU and memory usage is totally fucking irrelevant. Who are you kidding - the worst computer a hub user probably is would be mine, a p3 700.

Porkster wrote:With narrow mindedness of people and the lack of will to try new things out, we’ve had limit interest from existing dc people. Also the power struggle to maintain heartlands with dc has maybe caused the idea of people moving to a better client to be tainted. Yes there is vested interests in maintaining the ability to moderate and control people or there wouldn’t have been the ill responses to our tests for a alternative p2p.

Power struggle? vested interests? moderate and control people? what the fuck are you on dude. I even posted a poll asking what client people wanted, and you fucked it up with your shareaza spam. When I closed it DC was ahead anyway. I am open to what ever people want. And my personal opinion - which I have refrained from commenting on here - is that DC is perfect for the task, if it aint broke why fuck with it and when theres a better alternative I'm sure we will look at it. I havent seen a better alternative.

Porkster wrote:I really know why now why most young Tasmanian’s move to the mainland.

With narrow mindedness of people and the lack of will to try new things out, we’ve had limit interest from existing dc people. Also the power struggle to maintain heartlands with dc has maybe caused the idea of people moving to a better client to be tainted. Yes there is vested interests in maintaining the ability to moderate and control people or there wouldn’t have been the ill responses to our tests for a alternative p2p.

Porkster, it's not about what is the "better" client technically, it's about what suits people's needs better. At the moment, DC suits my needs better. Why?

A large community, so more files to share.
A sense of community. When I use emule, for instance, there is no sense of being part of a community. Just anonymous connections...
Easy setup and maintance. Yes, I am lazy.
Reliable connectivity. Shareaza doesn't yet provide that.
Stable client. DC has yet to crash on me.

Finally, the attitude you displayed above is one of the prime reasons I won't swap to shareaza. In fact, even if you managed to prove that shareaza met all my needs, I would still think twice about changing just because of your attitude.

Perhaps your group would do better if it's members appointed a different spokesperson?

JohnD>>, you keep saying about bad connectivity and problems but you have yet to come in and trial. very hypocritical.

Your point about a spokes person, well our group doesn't have a spokes person or leader as such, it's just I have been putting more effort in at the script level and it may appear as that. I asked phil many times to look into an alterntive, and he wasn't interested in any thing other than a different version of DC, so I stopped complaining and got out there and looked for an alternative, with the help of others. So now that it's going I'm trying to promote it with SHEER facts, but obviously people don't want facts of a better system, they want a hierarchy.

You mention, a sence of community, enormous shares.. well that's so broken as a statement. obviously it's linked to what poeple are on and what they share. Your logic is saying, people will never try anything else becuse dc has more shares and people, very strange if you stick by this statement.

You seem to be basket casing our alternative without using it or giving it a fair go, another strange situation. No this is not emule and it runs perfect for people connecting. There were problems in Beta Mode but they have been fixed and also IP resolves are perfect now, so if you can't get in, it's not the dcache end.


Phil>> Firewalling your hub doesn't hide the fact your hosting a dc server and it's recorded in STARK advertising on Whirlpool, a place where many professionals enter to see market opinions and happenings.

Scenario-------------------------------------------
> ping nstashub.no-ip.org result ip 210.15.195.117 at 5.45am.....
* Reconcile IP with court orders on Netspace, for session records. Arrr, Phill Campbell or parents home.
* National Raid, 2 am... Court orders obtained to raid, seize and monitor existing network for whom is on and illegally sharing private copyrighted materials.

* Raid list
1 Blar Street, Phill Campbell, Tassy
Melbourne,
Sydney,
* Raid Instructions, seize all related technology and material

Sieze all computer items for long periods as evidence in court case

...Code Red.
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* Raid happens. It's unlikely they will smash the door down, but this is a big bust btw, millions of dollars of so called material is being pirated by the underground. Your parents freak.
* They seize control of your machine, you can’t warn people as you were in bed.
* Now they scan and monitor, who’s doing what..
Arrr...
NETFISH 200 gigs of Hollywood DVD Movies.
ANACHRONOUS. 100 gigs of commercial games and applications
and VARIOUS OTHERS sharing pirated material..
* Then they rate who is the more important to raid in the same night.
* They obtain more court orders from the local JP or magistrate at 3am
* Others are raided and computers siezed for long term.
* The next day, we have a news story. Massive piracy racket foiled...
* You guys are on criminal cases and or civil fines. If your under 18 your parents will foott he bill, maybe they will lose their home in court costs.
* The person responsible for the server before the court hearings, “Sorry man, I didn’t KNOW this could and was going to happen...”, ”if only”, “Shit all our computers equipment is seized for months or years, pending the court case, I’m so Sorry man.. “, << “Sorry, we are all so done. I can’t buy another computer and my parents wont allow another one at all with the shit that has happened”
* I think the Tasmania police would love some action like this. Low risk raiding,. Practice. And a successful outcome. Great training too.

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Sorry but I’m not being apart of this, apart from the other problems in dc. Am I trying to scare people, well take it as that, as it’s going to happen. You have a lot of companies out there complaining about losing money and they have a right to call upon the Federal Police to act. Just have a scan over on Whirlpool forums and most messages are relating to eMule pirate networks, DC, and P2P in general. Something has to give, and when it does, you guys are going to break with the rest of the server based groups on the mainland.

You have an opportunity to avoid this scenario. A p2p system that works perfect, a system that doesn’t need a server, a system that we all have been longing for. The only thing stopping it is negative opinions from people who have a vested interest in keeping their podiums.

The alternative is a leaderless situation, NON SERVER based system. It’s not a case of giving in.. or giving status to me, as it's not controlled. All I want is to be able to download in safety and at the best technoloy. Dc for me can’t do that, as it’s server based and single source. If you think about it, you will still be respected and even more so if you want the best for the group and your own protection.

You say you did a upgrade. Well all the more reason to get that system doing more, rather then held up running a dc server. Maybe it's better as a sale now, rather then sit their and become valueless.

I was one of the first lot into DC Tassy, and I promoted the hell out of it to locals and dc usage interstate. I spent time convincing Anachronous to stay as he wasn’t fussed about using a share program when he had his own warez ftp, so it’s not a case of jealousy or any other conceited issue, as I supported and help make what’s good in the p2pcommunity here too and I'm willing to put time into anyone elses ideas if they are a better move.

Anyway, I don’t want to be seen as stirring people up, People can sit back and stay with dc, I’m not going to go out of my way, which I have already done and be rejected.

(I'm going into non active mode, so you might not get a reply. I come in as Anach told me about the separate forum for Shareaza and I was a moderator. I can't see why there needs to be any moderators as what damage can be done in conversation and it's a bad situation moderating friends. A back ground moderator should be the person hosting the forum as it's a fact that at times there needs to be messsage maintanence. but no I don't want to moderate.).

Porkster - the dc hub is mentioned on whirlpool in one text file. If it makes you feel any safer I can whim the author and ask him to remove it, but i think its irrelevant anyway. The way 99% of people hear about the hub is word of mouth. And theres no way to get around that.

You seem to forget you have an entire web page dedicated to shareaza and how to set it up. What if the police came across that in a google search?

Phil wrote:Porkster - the dc hub is mentioned on whirlpool in one text file. If it makes you feel any safer I can whim the author and ask him to remove it, but i think its irrelevant anyway. The way 99% of people hear about the hub is word of mouth. And theres no way to get around that.

You seem to forget you have an entire web page dedicated to shareaza and how to set it up. What if the police came across that in a google search?

There is nothing on that page that relates to others or me that have access to that web page. It's hosted on tripod on an alias. Also the PHP script is remote as spaceports on an alias. People could locally act as a member and record what is shared on a IP witin the network but they would ahve to goto alot more trouble. Investigating from a distance, like from Melbourne or Canberra is near impossible as they wont see any IP's in our PHP script. The PHP need a local IP for it to issue any others out. Then they would have to be local to hook up with our shareaza rules. It's 99 percent not going to happen.

Maybe I'm over reacting but it's is one of the major reasons why I don't want to use a server based model, another one is waiting for slots, on new stuff. It easier for me just to download the items I want on real allocation then wait for a week for a new game to have a slot open.

There are alot of Governemnt jobs that wont employ you with recent criminal records.

Also I'm not sure if it's of dc group but it was Roads to Rome or another game at the time had a virus/trojan in it. Files were added to the start menu and also deeper in, a file called kernelfix or kernelupdater, after running the game. This is an inhereant problem with single sourcing in that you can target people much better with tainted files. An example, I will share this as XXX wants it, making sure that person gets that file on that download. When the files down, delete the files and share the proper one to the rest of the group.

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running a file sharing server is not illegal. neither is connecting to it. I dont see your point.

Porkster wrote:JohnD>>, you keep saying about bad connectivity and problems but you have yet to come in and trial. very hypocritical.

Porkster, I have tried it, and it didn't suit my needs. That may change in time.

Of course community is linked to what people are on and what they share. That's what forms a community. Are you saying that it's something else? I'm afraid I don't really understand your point. What I'm saying is that, regardless of technical "superiority", a P2P application's popularity is linked more to the community than the quality of the client software. It's like OS's. Windows is nowhere near as sophisticated as Linux, but there is considerably more quality software for it. DC might not be terrific, but there are a lot of people interested in being part of the DC community.

As to you being the spokesperson. The way you present yourself here and in Whirlpool gives that indication. If it's incorrect, my apologies. My comment was meant to indicate that, having made so many outrageous and inaccurate statements in both forums, you have built yourself an uphill road to try to get serious consideration of shareaza by many people. See some of your posts above, including the ridiculous "police raid" scenarios.

It is possible to promote alternatives, you know, without pissing people off in the process.

C'mon Dudes, settle and Lefty, GROW UP......
Typical Tasmanian, does'nt like a change, thats why he's not on XP yet......
Anyway some ppl's like a change so if someone out there has put in some hard work (PORKSTER) in setting this up, ppl should try and see what they think, personally I think and so do others that Shareaza has huge potential, just look at the interface, it says it all, SKINS, OPTIONS, ETC....

Time Will Tell.............
At lease ha don't have to keep changing ya Nick everytime ya get booted off DC++.....

Freezz wrote:C'mon Dudes, settle and Lefty, GROW UP......
Typical Tasmanian, does'nt like a change, thats why he's not on XP yet......
Anyway some ppl's like a change so if someone out there has put in some hard work (PORKSTER) in setting this up, ppl should try and see what they think, personally I think and so do others that Shareaza has huge potential, just look at the interface, it says it all, SKINS, OPTIONS, ETC....

Time Will Tell.............
At lease ha don't have to keep changing ya Nick everytime ya get booted off DC++.....

Thanks. It's not just me that worked on it.

I think there has been a bit of tension between dc and shareaza clients, mainly due to factors which I consider were biassed at the time.

Once an active member of dc, I experienced many problems and the client, like many other users, we brought up the idea about testing and moving to another client type. We tested out emule and others. Most including the controllers of dc were happy to get a new client if there was one out there.

The problem was, when presented with a alternative, it was given the push by the controllers of dc without testing it. I considered this to be a form of protection of DC. Obviously why would anyone want to protect the dc group from going to a better client or even seeing if it was better. These are the reasons why.

There are good points in both clients and both have bad points. I myself prefer to go with new stuff and I respect people if they chose truthfully what they like too.

its not like you care - but I HAVE used shareaza before - not on your hub mind - and I also relied on other people who had used your hubs comments when I made my decision that I feel that its not suited to our small community. I bolded that because its my opinion and i am not forcing it on anyone. Unlike you who is slandering me in nearly every P2P thread on whirlpool and trying to force your shareaza system on everyone - even in the IInet forum!

And I honestly dont think it matters what I think - I dont control anyone and am not preventing anyone on changing systems - despite what your delusional brain may think. I really dont understand how you come to the conclusion that just because I didnt test your hub that its all my fault that so few liked it and saw it as a positive change.

What I do think - is that since there is a majority in favour of DC (see that poll in a thread I posted - and I will post another to get a recount if you dont feel it is valid) we should stick with Direct Connect until there is a better alternative. There is no point in splitting a already small community into two smaller ones.

Phil wrote: And I honestly dont think it matters what I think - I dont control anyone and am not preventing anyone on changing systems - despite what your delusional brain may think. I really dont understand how you come to the conclusion that just because I didnt test your hub that its all my fault that so few liked it and saw it as a positive change.

The point was that it was way before others voted that your shrugged shareaza off, other words the caesars, thumbs down, by showing ZERO interest. You were very diplomatic though when we suggested that we find another client model, with YESes and I'll Look too. So you can take some blame for mis conceptions if there are any.

Phil wrote:its not like you care - but I HAVE used shareaza before - not on your hub mind - and I also relied on other people who had used your hubs comments when I made my decision that I feel that its not suited to our small community. I bolded that because its my opinion and i am not forcing it on anyone. Unlike you who is slandering me in nearly every P2P thread on whirlpool and trying to force your shareaza system on everyone - even in the IInet forum!.

No, It's not personal in my regards.

Also I pointed out vailid issues. To you, it may seem I was trying to scarepeople but it's a vailid issue to me and maybe others if they think about it.

Being bankrupt or criminal charges that could effect your propects in employement and life isn't something to overlook too quickly. Apart from my own want to move onto a different client type, this issue of being busted is real to me.

There still is a valid point too to keeping DC. One, Linux users, which may have no reason to want to emulate win32 mode for shareaza or want to connect up with a GNUtella 1 client. Two, you hold a tried and test client model that people already know the pros and cons. Three a area people know there is a chat.

I hope that if you ever consider it's time to move, that you know your welcome to come in on equal ground to all users and I hope you see our direction in friendly terms too.